Do you find yourself juggling too many tasks at once, struggling to make meaningful progress on any of them?

In this episode, I dive deep into one of the core practices of the Kanban method: limiting work in progress, or WIP. We’ll explore how taking on too many concurrent tasks can wreak havoc on your brain, your client experience, and your ability to keep your commitments. I also provide you with several practical tools and strategies for setting WIP limits in your personal work and your practice as a whole. By the end of this episode, you’ll have a clear roadmap for regaining control of your workload and consistently delivering your best work.

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Transcript
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If you're like most legal professionals, you are probably operating under near constant pressure to take on more work.

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One of the things I think we all instinctively know is true, even if we have a hard time putting it into practice, is that the secret to getting more done isn't putting more on your plate, it's doing fewer things at once.

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We all know that putting more on.

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Our plates is actually hurting, not helping, but we struggle with effective tools to.

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Protect ourselves from doing it anyway.

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In today's episode, I am breaking down.

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One of the core practices of the Kanban method.

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Limiting work in progress or limiting wip.

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You'll learn about different manifestations of doing.

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Too many things at once, what it.

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Does to your brain, and how it affects your client experience and your ability.

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To keep your commitments.

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Most importantly, I'll give you several tools and ideas for how to set WIP limits in your personal work and in.

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Your practice overall to regain control of your workload.

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If you're ready to stop feeling like you're spinning plates and start consistently and predictably getting things done, this is the episode for you.

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You're listening to the Agile Attorney podcast.

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I'm Jon Grant, and it is my mission to help legal professionals of all.

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Kinds build practices that are profitable, sustainable.

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And scalable for themselves and the communities they serve.

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Ready to become a more Agile attorney?

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Let's go.

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All right, so in this episode, I'm.

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Going back to one of the core.

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Practices of the Kanban method.

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And since I think I've got a lot of newer listeners, since I've done more of a basic overview of the Kanban method, let me explain first and foremost that the Kanban method is different.

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From just using a Kanban board.

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And that's confusing.

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I know there's a lot of context.

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For the word Kanban.

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There's lean Kanban, there's agile Kanban, there's.

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Kanban boards that are used in Scrum.

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Which is a different agile practice than the Kanban method.

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It's all really crazy, and I apologize.

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It's like word soup.

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But it is what it is, and.

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I'm going to use the actual words so that you can Google them and.

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Look up other resources and things like that.

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So, obviously I'm a big fan of Kanban boards.

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I probably should be talking about them, and I will talk about them more in the coming weeks on the podcast.

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But there are a lot of things around the Kanban method that are really useful in addition to, or sometimes even.

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If you can't use a Kanban board.

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And so I want to make sure that I'm hitting on those high level.

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I think the thing that is important.

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For you to know about the Kanban.

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Method is that it's this overarching set of principles, practices and tools that are.

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Designed to foster managed evolutionary change, especially in knowledge work environments like law practices.

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And a lot of it, like many.

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Of these things, they sort of initiated.

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In software, but the Kanban method has.

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Been successfully implemented in all sorts of knowledge work environments.

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And obviously I'm a big fan of using it in legal.

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The six high level practices of the Kanban method, and I'm going to rattle them off.

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There's not necessarily an order to it.

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Although this is probably the order that they're most commonly implemented in.

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And you know, again, I don't have.

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A strong feel feeling about whether you.

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Have to implement them in this order, but I would say that most of.

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The time when we're introducing these tools.

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And these concepts, they go roughly in this order.

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So the first one is to make.

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Work visible, and I did sort of.

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A deep dive on creating a basic Kanban board, which is obviously a tool.

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For making work visible in episode 44 of this podcast.

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And then I talked about another tool for making work visible back in episode.

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53 where we talked about calendar blocking and calendar bucketing.

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There are some other ways to do.

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That as well, but I would say that it just is one of the most transformative things to be able to actually see knowledge work and process it.

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In that more efficient way that your.

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Brain can process visual information over trying to remember lists and spreadsheets and things like that.

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The second practice is limiting work in process, or sometimes limiting work in progress.

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I'll go for either.

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I usually just call it limiting wip, and I'm going to hold off on.

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A deeper explanation because that's going to be the point of the rest of this episode.

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After that.

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We talk about managing and measuring flow.

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And you know, that's really using data.

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We sometimes use a metric called flow efficiency, but it's built on some other things, like cycle time, which is basically the time it takes you to finish a matter from intake to closeout, or.

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Finish a particular task from start to.

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Finish, whatever it happens to be.

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But this idea of cycle time and.

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Then flow efficiency, which is the ratio.

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Between the working time and the waiting time.

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And if you want a deeper dive.

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On this one, I haven't done a.

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Podcast episode on it yet, I don't.

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Think, but I talk about it in my Agile Attorney Bootcamp email series.

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And you can see where to sign.

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Up for that on my website@agilattorney.com start.

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After that the next practice is to make policies explicit, and I've got a.

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Couple episodes on this.

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Episode 10 introduces the concept of making.

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Policies explicit, and then episode 22 talks about how to write effective law firm policies.

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And once again pointing back to that.

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Start page on my website.

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I also have an Agile attorney policy template that you can access there.

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After that we talk about implementing feedback loops.

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And again, I've got a few episodes this.

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Episode 38 is about delivering effective feedback.

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To your team members.

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And then more recently in episode 53 and episode 54 we talked a lot about feedback loops in terms of reflecting our priorities in the amount of work through the use of weekly planning and weekly review meetings and then daily standup meetings.

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And then the sixth of the Kanban practices is to evolve experimentally.

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And I don't really have a specific episode on this, although it comes up, I think, in a lot of the different discussions.

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The main thing here is getting back to that notion of managed evolutionary change, right?

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We're not going for these big bang disruptive things, implementing new technologies or completely changing out systems.

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It's really about trying little things that we think are going to improve the way that we work or the way that work flows through our systems, measuring.

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Whether those things actually help us or.

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Not, and then doubling down or if it doesn't work, changing things and really improving what we know about our practice as opposed to just sort of throwing spaghetti at the wall or putting all.

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Of our in some big magic wand or silver bullet initiative.

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All right, so hopefully that little refresher is helpful, but I really want to.

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Focus today on this notion of limiting.

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WIP or limiting work in process.

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I guess I'll call out briefly only because it comes up every so often when I'm talking about wip.

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I'm not talking about that very narrow definition of WIP that I sometimes think of as lawyer.

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Wip, which is work that you've time tracked but haven't yet billed for, I think is roughly what that definition is.

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It's more common in bigger law firms.

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I don't see it as much with smaller firms.

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That is technically a form of wip.

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But it's not the big form of.

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WIP that I'm interested in.

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When I talk about wip, I'm really.

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Talking about concurrent work, right?

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And it's that metaphor that I've used before of when you're juggling lots of balls, right?

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You are in a Situation where the more balls you have in the air.

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The more of your and attention and.

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Finite capacity you have to spend sort.

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Of managing the space between the balls as opposed to actually making progress on the balls themselves.

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And so when we talk about limiting.

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Wip, what we're trying to do is.

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Eliminate all those little spaces and make.

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It so you can have the time and protected space and capacity to actually make progress on some of your most important work items, get them all the.

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Way to done, and then pick up.

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Another ball and start that one.

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It ties back to one of the.

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Unofficial mottos of the Kanban method, which is to start less in order to.

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Finish more, or sometimes more succinctly, stop starting and start finishing.

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And limiting WIP is a way to do that.

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There's actually a few different dynamics of WIP that I think are interesting.

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One of them is at a personal level.

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There's actually a pretty interesting book, at least interesting to me.

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I'm not sure I'd recommend it because.

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It, I think, is a little designed.

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For people in larger organizations, and it's.

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Also, I think, a little bit focused on sort of corporate and technology teams.

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But there's still some really great things in it.

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And the book is titled why Limit Whip?

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And it's written by a guy named.

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Jim Benson, who is one of the leading thinkers in the Kanban movement.

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And he talks about a phenomenon known as the Zeigarnik Effect.

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And this is a phenomenon that was.

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Described by a Lithuanian psychologist named Bluma.

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Or sort of holding on to information about things that we've already completed.

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We're able to say, okay, that's done.

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I now can free up my resources.

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In order to work on something else.

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But when a task isn't done, our.

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Brains tend to want to keep thinking.

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About them and they want to hold information in flight about whatever that task.

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Is or set of tasks are.

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And it can go into almost sort of an obsessive cycle where it's trying to get you to get this thing.

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Done, and it wants to maybe revisit information or worry that it doesn't have enough information.

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And I think I'm probably describing a.

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Phenomenon that all of us have felt.

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At point or another where we, you know, wake up in the middle of.

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The night or are, you know, doing something that's maybe not related to our.

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Work, spending time with our family, maybe at the gym.

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And all of a sudden like this sort of flood of open ended items sort of comes up and you start to worry, oh my gosh, I need to get these things done.

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That's the Zeigarnik effect.

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So one of the reasons to limit WHIP on a personal level is that it actually puts your brain at rest.

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We want to sort of allow our.

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To say, hey, we finished this and.

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I can let it go.

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And it's interesting.

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One of the things I hear a lot when I'm working with teams implementing.

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The Kanban method, once they have a Kanban board in place, that actually winds up putting their brains at rest a little bit too.

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I often hear from team members that.

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Oh, I'm sleeping so much better at.

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Night because my brain has a mental map of where the work is.

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Therefore it's not trying to hold on.

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To as much information about that work.

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I have confidence that I, I can.

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Turn on my computer or walk into.

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My office tomorrow morning and everything's going.

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To be where I put it.

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And that can be very freeing.

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And I think that's a form of the Zeigarnik effect as well.

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So you know, that's WIP at a personal level.

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Obviously there's WIP at a team or an organizational level.

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And we talked about a lot of that again in the episodes about the weekly planning meeting and the daily standup meeting, which are both designed to sort of comb through the available activities, activities that you have open for your team and make commitments to being able to get those things to all the way.

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To done ideally or at least to a natural resting state.

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And so you know, those open matters.

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Open tasks as a form of team whip.

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And again, just like that juggling metaphor, right?

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The more active things you have open, the more time and energy you and.

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Your team has to spend just tracking stuff, right?

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It's just pure administrative overhead.

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It's not making progress on anything.

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It's making sure that you don't lose track of anything.

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The other thing worth calling out is.

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The effect of WIP on client experience.

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And I talked about this way back in episode three when I talked about.

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Finding and fixing bottlenecks.

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And then more specifically in episode five where I talked about the relationship between work in progress and delivery speed, where.

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I discussed Little's Law or sometimes the Kingman's formula.

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They're basically saying the same thing where the time it takes to deliver an.

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Average piece of work is proportional to the total amount of work that's in your system.

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So the more WIP you have, the.

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Longer it's going to take you on average to deliver any one piece of work.

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And that directly impacts how your clients.

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Are experiencing your legal work product.

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You know, one of the ways I.

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Talk about this with my clients sometimes.

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Is that every commitment you make to.

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A new client or to a new.

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Piece of work when you're already at or over capacity is actually stealing from the experience of clients that already have.

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Work in your system.

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Right?

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It's stealing your finite capacity from commitments that you've already made.

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Another way to think of the same.

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Concept is when you make a commitment to a client or to anybody, right?

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Customer, it doesn't have to be a client.

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You kind of put yourself in what.

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I sometimes think of as a form of debt.

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I call it delivery debt.

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So once you've made a commitment, you owe a debt to that person that you have to then deliver on, ideally.

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Within a reasonable timeframe or a promised timeframe.

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But the more additional work you let into your system, number one, the more.

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Your delivery debt is piling up.

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But number two, the less likely you.

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Are to be able to actually meet.

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Your commitments that you've already made.

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So again, I'm kind of saying the same thing, but hopefully one or both of those ways of thinking about it.

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Is useful for you.

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All right, so how do we limit wip?

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And I'll admit, right, this is way easier said than done, but there are.

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Specific tools you can use that will.

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Help make you better and more intentional about the number of commitments you're making when you already have work in your system.

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And as I said at the top of the show, a lot of those.

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I've been talking about on the podcast recently anyway, right?

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Calendar blocking, calendar bucketing.

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It's a great way to sort of.

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Show what commitments you have, or at least give space on your calendar to the commitments you already have.

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And therefore, when you're out of space on your calendar, that's sort of your WIP limit.

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I also talked about it in the.

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Agile meetings, like the weekly planning meeting.

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Where we have a hot list, but.

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We cap the number of matters that's going to get on that hot list or the daily standup, when we're clear.

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That when we make commitments for the next 24 hours, that we're only committing.

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To things that we genuinely think we can deliver in that 24 hours, and we've got this feedback loop if we don't.

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So we're sort of working ourselves into a personal WIP limit through the practice of the daily standup.

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Another way to implement a WIP limit.

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And in a way this is a.

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Form of a policy, and I haven't talked about it a lot on the.

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Podcast, I don't think, but is to.

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Use your Kanban board and set WIP limits on the board.

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And, you know, partly this depends on what tools you're using.

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If you're using some of my preferred tools like Kanban Zone or Business Map, it has the ability to set WIP.

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Limits at a lot of different places.

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That you can do it at the.

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Column level, you can do it at.

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The board level, some of them let you do it at the personal level, but you can actually use the tools.

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To enforce the limit.

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Like if you try to go over it, it just won't let you.

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You can also set a lot up to signal you when you are at.

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Or over a whip limit without necessarily stopping you from putting new work in.

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So it turns things red or orange.

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And, you know, throws up a bunch of flags.

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But at least when you do exceed your WIP limit, you're doing it knowingly and not accidentally.

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And that's an improvement, even if you're using a tool that doesn't natively allow for WIP limits.

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And I know Clio Matter Stages doesn't support WIP limits, I know Legal Boards doesn't support WIP limits, I know Lockus doesn't support WIP limits, Trello doesn't support.

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WIP limits, although there's plugins I think.

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That can help with that.

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A lot of the more common tools.

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Don'T have native support, but you can.

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Still, you know, in the title of.

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Your columns or in the title of.

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Your section, you can put a WIP.

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Limit in, just throw a number in parentheses after whatever the workflow stage is.

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And at least you are committing to that cap, right?

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It doesn't enforce it in that way.

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But you can still start to get some visibility by implementing a WIP limit.

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Whatever way your tool allows you to do it.

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You can also set a firm level.

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WIP limit, right, either on your Kanban.

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Board by saying, okay, these are the.

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Maximum number of matters that we're going.

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To allow in to the board, or.

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You can just have it as a firm policy.

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And I talked about that back in episode 21 when I told Laura's story.

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And how she came to this realization that you can't scale your way out of a sustainability problem.

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And so she got really intentional about.

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Capping the number of cases and even.

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Coming up with a weighted number that.

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Reflected the difficulty of some cases and.

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Was able to sort of reclaim her.

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Capacity and get work flowing as a result of that.

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And I'll actually share with you something.

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That I got as an autoresponder from.

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An attorney that I had emailed last week that I thought was great.

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It really encapsulates and this is not someone that I've talked to.

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I'm not sure if they're a podcast listener and maybe they got some of these ideas from the podcast or not.

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Let me read from this response email.

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For you because I think it's great.

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It says due to my current caseload.

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And commitments, any requests for new work are currently being added to a waiting list.

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New projects will be started on a first come first serve basis as each current planning project is concluded.

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In the meantime, I recommend you look at some of the informational resources about estate planning that I've provided in the.

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FAQ section of my website website.

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So I love that, right?

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Number one, they're really clear that they.

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Have a case limit, that they're managing their practice in a way that is intentional.

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Number two, they've got a first in, first out policy, which I love.

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I'm totally overwhelming you with other episodes right now.

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They should all be in the show.

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Notes and there's going to be a.

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Lot of them this time.

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But I talked about a first in.

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First out policy in episode 27.

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And then the other thing this attorney is doing is they're not really saying.

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No, they're just saying not yet.

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And then they're directing the client or the potential client to information on the website.

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So you know, they're caring about the experience.

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They want the client to get smarter.

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They're just being really clear and direct.

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About what their boundaries are, what their overall limit is.

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The final thing I'll call out from.

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This auto reply that I love is.

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The notion of a wait list.

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And I think that's not uncommon.

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You've decided that you're going to cap your case count.

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You need a wait list, you need a queue.

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But one of the things flipping over to Kanban boards is I think it's great to have a queue at the front end.

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And I've talked about I won't mention.

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Another episode number because I've already gone with too many.

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But when we talk about putting the.

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Bottleneck where you want it in the.

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Episode I did with Clark Ching, right, having those queues be at the front of your process, right, the metered on ramp to the Freeway is a great.

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Place to have it.

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But a lot of Kanban board tools will also support the use of queue columns or buffer columns inside of your workflow.

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And so again, this is something that.

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A lot of the simpler Kanban systems don't support.

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But the robust ones, the ones I.

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Recommend really do, is the ability to have these interstitial cues or buffers, where as we finish one part of the workflow, we don't necessarily immediately start the.

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Next part of the workflow.

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We might go into a little holding.

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Area or, you know, a cue column where things can hang out for a minute because we've at least delivered the value of the first phase or whatever phase we just completed and we can take a breath before we start on the next one.

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Almost always when you're engaged in board.

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Design, if you're going to implement a.

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WIP limit on a column or on.

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A section of work, you almost always also need to implement a queue or.

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A buffer upstream of that column.

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Otherwise you'll leave work living in the.

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Previous column before it.

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It's not the end of the world.

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Actually.

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It can be sort of an advanced practice to eliminate those buffers because it helps you get to those total WIP limits.

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But for teams that are just getting.

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Started with a method, I almost always.

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Will use these buffer columns or Q.

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Columns along with WIP limits because it just allows us to park the work.

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Somewhere while we're in the process of.

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Lowering the overall total amount of WIP in the system.

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System.

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All right, I'm going to leave it.

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There for now because I think this is sort of an information dense episode.

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I guess a lot of them are.

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But this one seems denser than even my normal.

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If I need to leave you with.

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A closing thought, it's this idea that.

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So much of like modern society and sort of the pressures of business and even a lot of the things inside of legal culture or the legal profession, they're all designed to make you think that you need to be doing more with the resources you have, or even doing more with less.

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And, you know, you hear that in.

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All of the legal technology pitches.

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You hear that in some of the marketing pitches.

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Certainly you'll hear that from a lot of practice management coaches or programs or things like that.

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And it's just.

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I don't know.

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Right.

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I think that that's a great, great idea.

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I think that it's obviously very attractive.

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I just don't think it's that realistic.

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The best way to do more with less is to do less.

Speaker B:

And you can't actually do more.

Speaker B:

You've got finite capacity, which means that.

Speaker A:

Putting a whip limit on, right, limiting the number of things that you're going to let into that capacity forces you to then prioritize.

Speaker A:

And it's that flip side, right?

Speaker B:

The honest reckoning of the capacity is the first step, and then the brutal.

Speaker A:

Assessment of priorities is the next step.

Speaker A:

And the WIP limit is designed to.

Speaker B:

Reflect what your actual capacity is, which.

Speaker A:

Forces you to make better prioritization decisions.

Speaker A:

So you're not going to be worse off for doing less because you're going to be doing less of the more important or less of the better things, right?

Speaker A:

This idea that we just have to do more and more and more, it's going to make you crazy.

Speaker B:

And it's not not right?

Speaker B:

So really think about what is your finite capacity, come up with ways to visually or through policies represent that finite capacity.

Speaker A:

A WIP limit is a great one.

Speaker B:

For it, and hopefully you'll get yourself from that roiling boil down to something.

Speaker A:

More manageable, the gentle simmer that I.

Speaker B:

Talk about, so that you can really.

Speaker A:

Make real progress and feel in control of the work in your practice.

Speaker B:

All right, thank you for listening, as always.

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Speaker A:

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Speaker B:

That's it for today.

Speaker B:

Thanks for listening and I will catch you next time.

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